Following Jesus Means Belonging to a Local Congregation so says Rick Warren. yes, that Rick Warren, pastor of the Saddleback mega–church in southern California. Typical answers, typical Biblical exegesis from a typical pastor-type.
When Jesus walked the earth, God worked through the physical body of Christ; today he uses his spiritual body. The church is God’s instrument on earth. We are his hands, his feet, his eyes and his heart. He works through us in the world. We each have a contribution to make.I agree with everything except the phrase “the church is God’s instrument on earth”. Where did this come from? I have yet to find it in my Bible, at least Rick’s definition of church. Jesus commanded us to love one another and to make disciples so we do have a contribution to make but how did we get from there to today’s massive religious system of umpteen variations?
A church family identifies us as genuine believers. I can’t claim to be following Christ if I’m not committed to any specific group of disciples. Jesus said, “Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples” (John 13:35, NLT).The verse is true but his interpretation is not. Well, maybe his words are right but he restricts “specific group of disciples” to mean “local church.” Sadly, I have been in churches that do not show love for one another, tho they claim to. I dare you to leave your church, on good terms, and see how quickly you are dropped like a hot rock. Where did all those “relationships” suddenly go? The truth is that the people of this world do not care about what my Membership Card may say. They want and need to see Christ in my love for them.
A church family moves us out of self-centered isolation.In truth I see more “self-centered isolation” from people associated with an Institution than I do with my non-church associates. Refer back to my previous example about the hot rock.
The local church is the classroom for learning how to get along in God’s family. It is a lab for practicing unselfish, sympathetic love. As a participating member you learn to care about others and share the experiences of others: “If one part of the body suffers, all the other parts suffer with it. Or if one part of our body is honored, all the other parts share its honor” (1 Corinthians 12:26, NCV). Only in regular contact with ordinary, imperfect believers can we learn real fellowship and experience the New Testament truth of being connected and dependent on each other.Hmm, I guess that is true but is he saying that I cannot learn by simply loving those who do not know Christ? I have discovered it harder to love, and have sincere relationships with, those in the Institution because of the higher concentration of Posers.
No one will ever grow to maturity just by attending worship services and being a passive spectator.Agree. Too many passive believers filling too many pews on Sunday.
Only participation in the full life of a local church builds spiritual muscle. The Bible says, “As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love” (Ephesians 4:16, NLT).Disagree. “Only…” Are you kidding me? He says there is ONLY one answer. And why is my “own special work” restricted to the Institution? Too much Christianity is lived out in the confines of the church, it never gets beyond the walls, we put in our 2 hours in Sunday morning and then we return to our real life. We must integrate our faith into our 24 x 7 life. This is how the world gets impacted.
Over fifty times in the New Testament the phrases “one another” or “each other” are used. We are commanded to love each other, pray for each other, encourage…and many other mutual tasks. This is biblical membership! These are the “family responsibilities” that God expects every believer to fulfill through a local fellowship. We need to ask those who attend our services, “Who are you doing these with?”This is not just a “family” responsibility. This is my LIFE’s responsibility. Otherwise it all about us…us Christians that is. We must “one another” the people around us? How are we to make disciples if not pouring out our lives to those whom God puts in our path? I guess our only option is to invite them to church so the pastor can do his thing. Argh, this kind of thinking frustrates me.
God has a unique role for every believer to play in his family. This is called your “ministry”… The local fellowship is the place God designed for his children to discover, develop and use their gifts.How about developing our “spiritual gift” by living out our every day, normal, possibly mundane, existence, as devoted Followers of Christ? There are a lot of hours beyond the two hours Sunday morning? How about we go into all the world each day as a lawyer, policeman, garbage man, teacher, engineer, or student and take our “ministry” with us? It must NOT restricted to an Institution. Sure it will be evident there but to do otherwise means we live a bi-polar existence..secular versus Sacred…nothing else in our life matters beyond the sacred 2 hours. Sorry, I don’t think so.
Even those with a wider ministry need to understand that their first responsibility is to the local Body. Jesus has not promised to build anyone’s ministry; he has promised to build his Church.OK, I expected his talking points but this one surprised me. He dismisses para-church ministry efforts and subjugates them to the local Institution. Guess what Rick? God did not promise to build a local Institution. The Institution is NOT the Church.
Satan loves detached believers — unplugged from the life of the Body, isolated from God’s family and unaccountable to spiritual leaders — because he knows they are defenseless and powerless against his tactics.Here come the fear tactics. If you don’t belong to an Institution you are going to be taken out by the devil. And you better be accountable to a spiritual leader, as he is more knowledgeable and gifted and holy than you…or else disaster is around the corner. Since when did the Good News of the Gospel involve FEAR? Scripture says that it is the kindness of God that leads a man to repentance. And that the fear of man is a dangerous trap, but trust in the Lord means safety. These tactics are shameful.
For the record there are faithful Followers, not committed to the Institution, but committed to community and growing in their relationship to the Father. I suppose that Rick may not agree.
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wow that is truly crazy. I’ve never really listened to sermons from bigger churches, but thats ridiculous! I’ve heard some preachers who i would say have preached wrong ideas, but nothing to some of the things Rick said.
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I agree that is crazy. I do believe in the local church as a place of Christian fellowship, and a source of learning about Him, but have always had issues with everything going to the local church, ie tithe money. I’m not a big fan of Rick Warren anyway so it doesn’t surprise me that he said something like this.
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Imagine for a moment if all pastors worked jobs and did not rely on “tithes and offering” for their living. I am not bagging on giving money but think…how would the modern church be different? Would it be different?
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